Q: My dilemma is should I immunize, should I not immunize? You know, there's a fear factor that medicine puts out that "if you don't immunize you're going to get all this," and I haven't immunized my four-year-old and he's been the healthiest kid in his kindergarten class, but....
Abe: Well, you have to decide as an individual: what is your path of least resistance? In other words, if you really believe in the importance and value of immunization and you don't do it, then that's not the path of least resistance. There's no right or wrong answer in this. There are children who are immunized who are well, there are children who are not who are well. As you say, your past experience tends to haunt you. In other words, you worry about epidemics – they are immunizing people against smallpox now in the fear that there will be a...
Q: Sure, a mass....
Abe: ...germ warfare that is offered. And we say, more people will get sick as a result of the thought that is spreading about than from any disease that will ever come.
Q: Well, is there any way to any concise clarity? For example, I've investigated polio a little bit, and it was my understanding that statistics – statistics, you know, it's a funny thing. I mean, when you use percentages with statistics, you can say that polio was on the increase 100% and that just means four cases instead of two last year. Statistics can really....
Abe: Well, you see, if you were moving to a healthier and healthier and healthier and healthier population, then we would continue to enjoy conversations about disease control and immunization. But what we see happening is, as quickly as you find some vaccine or some methodology to quell or squelch some disease, a new disease...
Q: Sure.
Abe: ...never known to man pops up. In other words, resistance is going to show up in disease, and until you start treating resistance you will always have disease.
You see, it's sort of like wanting to contain the water in a vessel, and it is made of clay and so it gets a hole and you plug it up, and it gets another hole and you plug it up, and it gets another hole and you plug it up, and this is sort of what medicine is doing, it's just plugging up holes. And in the process it is making people feel less secure, not more secure; it is making them more of a vibrational match to disease, not less of a vibrational match to disease; and most importantly, it is sapping the joy out of their life. As humans have come to believe that the longevity of life is more important than the quality of life, then you find ways to keep yourselves alive for longer and longer periods of time under the [fear] that something could go wrong, and we are just not that sure that it is the best way of going about it.
If we were standing in physical shoes, we would be looking for the path of least resistance to believe in the self-healing qualities off our physical body. And we would not be promoting so much outside intervention because the outside intervention, as you just said, keeps squirreling around. Every time you turn around, they have a new idea about what is the best process for all of that, you see.
Q: Well, sure, and what you say actually parallels my thinking and my belief system, but what happens when I have to appease a spouse that's maybe not in the same place that I am and there's a little bit of of conflict there?
Abe: Then you find the path of least resistance. You say as you said to us: while it may not help, it will not harm. This is a non-issue, give the kid a shot.
In other words, find your path of least resistance within it. You can play both sides of that, and you play them equally well. You gave us the case history that said it is not necessary, and you gave us the case history that says it can be of value. In other words, there is no one path that is always right and one path that is always wrong. Your work is not about choosing the right action -– it is about finding the right way of feeling about it preceding any action.
And so the worst thing that any of you can do to yourselves is to do something that you believe is wrong. `Cause that's the worst case of contradicted energy, you see. So as you say....
Q: I'm laughing to myself because neutrality, which is what you're proposing, is -– sometimes I just want a yes or no. (Laughs.) But do you understand what I'm saying? You know, do it, don't do it, the immunizations -– they're not bad for you, they're not good for you, whatever....
Abe: All right. Do it, don't do it. (Laughter from audience.) Do it, don't do it. Do it, do it, do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it....
Q: I understand. (Laughter.) No, actually, I mean, I fully understand. It's just, you know, sometimes I want the Universe to say, "This is bad." But I understand, there is no bad, there is no good -– it's just whatever the hell you think it is.
Abe: Disallowing the well-being is bad. (Pause.) We thought you'd really like that.
(Laughter.)
Q: I do! I'm trying to be the devil's advocate....
Abe: Allowing well-being is good.
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